Of all the things I am accused of, there is one I just don’t seem to be able to get around doing much about: commenting on Indian Wines.
The problem starts from the wide-spread ignorance that Indian wines are good with Indian food. Sounds logical right. If Italian wines pair with pizza and French fit Foie Gras, why shouldn’t Indians wines do justice to our vast Indian cuisine?
If you want a simple answer: because Indian wines aren’t good enough to drink, let alone pair. Outside of 2-3 brands I can’t think of many Indian wines that I would wish on my enemies. They are inconsistent, over-priced and just plain insipid.
I seem to have gone off on one without explaining why. Let me share the reasons for my grief. Trouble is there’s so much to lament I don’t even know where to begin.
Indians are a smart lot; they know a good money making venture when they see one. Few in India make wine because it was a childhood dream (read that as none), but seeing how simple it would be to replicate a successful concept in the West and how the growth trends are projected, it isn’t rocket science to do the smart thing. Trouble is this wine is for making money, not friends.
First of all, how did we come to plant grapes where we do? Why were they considered the best plantation sites? Well whatever you know is more than all the farmers in Nashik put together. Just because this was the land of table grapes, wine-making seemed a normal progression. How wrong were they; wine grapes have nothing to do with table grapes and yet, even today, farmers are yet to wake up to this realisation.
Next, who chose the grapes to be planted? Which particular clone type would be suited to Indian climes? Once again, a layman is as much of a scientist on this subject as the entire population of winemaking pin codes of India! As a result the only consistency we have are unripe grapes or excessive yields, or worse still, grapes that aren’t even meant for the climate or soil type.
Speaking of soil types, speak to any Indian winemaker and they will impress you with their bottling and production capacities; they speak little of yield control or soil composition – partly due to lack of knowledge but also out of lack of passion for winemaking.
Wine here is considered a drink that is a grape-based product and must have acidity, alcohol (and tannins for reds.) Flavours are inconsequential, or purely coincidental, or else, added. In fact, from sugar to acids, anything can be added here and none of us would know because there is no governing body to control winemaking in India. We made so much noise over pesticides in our cola; it’s ironic then that we drink wine which has no quality control and is drenched in killer chemicals more regularly than a Miss India’s beauty showers.
Squelching yet, there’s more. But my intention wasn’t to do an exposé of the Indian wine industry; I don’t think I yield such power. But what I can do is avoid them. I wouldn’t touch Indian wines with a barge pole. I try them now and then to see if anything is improving but it seems we keep adding more junk at the rudimentary level.
Among wines I would suggest you don’t try these would be the top names: Nilaya, Nine Hills, Indage, Vin et Vouloir, Revelho’s entry level (although some gush and rave about it), Bahula, Vinsura, and all or any brands which have extensive use of the letter “Z” (Zinzi, Zampa).
Among wines I can palate I would count Grover’s (La Reserve) Mandala and Chateau D’ori but not necessarily in that order. Sula whites (Chenin Blanc and Sauvignon Blanc) can be manageable if you don’t mind sweetened wines but their reds are horrible. Chateau de Banyan (or a name as odd) has the best packaging and are on the right track but record shows that it doesn’t take much to derail motivation in India. Indage’s Tiger hill (white Chardonnay and a red one i can’t recall which) is perhaps the best of the lot but I am convinced it is not Indian but Australian and will believe so unless proven otherwise.
So well, there you go, my two-bits worth on Indian wines. I know it’s not complementary but you can be sure that I wasn’t paid by the companies for writing this article. In fact, I wonder if the editor will see reason to forward me anything complementary!
Wines are a natural beverage, an expression of nature in the hands of humans – good for health, an elegant to sip. Indian wines please none of our sensory needs. Worse still, they leave us with a bad taste, a worse hangover and no friends. Abroad, wines carry statutory warnings about health risks posed by alcohol and others. For the time being, most Indian wines should simply state, “Drink at your own risk.”
Rajeev Samant
August 21, 2008 12:35 pm
Magan – there you go again. Why don’t you just shut up for a change? Or better still, go live in France?
Leave us alone would you, Mr. Self-Styled Expert..
thx
Rajeev Samant
Magan
August 21, 2008 1:09 pm
Dear Rajiv,
Thank you for your comment. Seems you got pretty moved from the irrelevant comments of a ‘self-styled’ expert. I am posting them sans moderation. I am a writer and words are all I have to share and even to titillate. You au contraire are a winemaker and it perhaps would be nicer if you let your wines do the talking rather than jibes at the person. Blame the game, not the player!
just,
magan.
Robert Joseph
August 21, 2008 10:32 pm
Magan, Rajiv,
I feel a little strange, writing a comment from the UK that stands between your obviously very different opinions. But as chairman of the India Wine challenge, someone who is watching the Indian wine industry closely and knows and respects you both, here goes:
Magan, you’re definitely guilty of hyperbole. You say that “Indian wines aren’t good enough to drink” and that “outside of 2-3 brands” you “can’t think of many Indian wines that I would wish on my enemies”. That’s a tough call – unless you are unusually generous to your enemies. I’ve tasted plenty of Indian wines that could be compared to examples from well-known regions of Europe. But, and this is important, these are not the best examples of those European wines. So far, I have seen very few Indian wines that could stand their own in the international market. But that’s why I come back every year to judge the India Wine Challenge, in the hope of seeing the improvement that I’m sure will come.
I’m glad that you will be a judge at this year’s competition and look forward to sampling the wines “blind” with you, with other Indian tasters, and overseas winemakers of the calibre of Gina Gallo, John Forest, Vanya Cullen and Mike Ratcliffe, all of whom have very keen understandings of the wine industry of the 21st century.
As someone living in the UK, I admit that I do not make it my business to taste every English wine as it hits the streets, but I do think it’s my job to keep track of what is going on a little more assiduously than the “now and then” you talk about when referring to your tasting of Indian wines. Wineries can improve radically from one year to the next. The first releases from Nine Hills were dire. The second vintage of the Cabernet was immeasurably better.
You are a talented taster with good international experience, and a voice that is listened to in India. The Indian wine industry needs to hear your comments, and to learn from them. And – sorry Rajiv – stepping on toes is going to be inevitable. I speak as one who – along with Oz Clarke – was declared persona non grata in Bordeaux because we had told the truth about what we thought of the poor and overpriced 1994 vintage.
You make some very fair points about the nature of investment into the industry. Every time I’m in India, I get asked for advice by would-be investors in Nasik wineries – people who either do not drink wine at all or have no interest in it. I’m also very aware of a lack of focus and vinous awareness. Why, for example, is there so much Chenin Blanc and Cabernet Sauvignon in India’s vineyards? Why has so much focus been on one region: Nasik? (China’s vineyards are far more widely planted). Why such exaggerated reverence for “French” experts? I – in common with other outside observers – would add two other criticisms. Quality control in wineries has often been dismal (I have been very disappointed by some of the examples of Grover that I’ve tasted, for example) and there are huge problems of spoilage through storage and transport. (Though these affect imported wines too).
Having recently visited China to look at what is going on there, I have found a key difference between the attitudes of the industries. In China, there have been as few legal constraints as in India. These are being introduced, but most “Chinese” wines contain 20-30% of wine from South America, France or Australia. But the Chinese freely acknowledge that they are at the early stages of a steep learning curve. “We’re not getting it right yet” they say, “but just watch what we do over the next few years”. In India, too many producers seem to think that they’ve already cracked it.
But Magan, I would point out that Rajiv’s Sauvignon Blanc has proved that it is of international standard (by being taken onto the lists of good restaurants outside India) and the Decanter tasting-winning Grover Reserve showed what could be done there, as does the latest vintage of Sula’s Shiraz. I have confidence in the potential of several other Indian wineries, including Indus, Nine Hills, Vin et Vouloir and Chateau D’ori (though I had reservations about the excessive oakiness of the first release top reds).
I really hope that this year’s India wine Challenge – in November – will not only reveal the evolution of these and other wineries over the last year, but also the arrival onto the scene of exciting new players.
My best to you both and to everybody else involved in wine in India.
Robert Joseph
Magan
August 21, 2008 11:27 pm
Dear Robert,
Thank you for your perspective – as always, precise and astute. I agree that my words don’t always come across as completely complementary and the exaggeration-for-effect can be perceived by a sensitive few as dramatic; constructive criticism would be more appropriate. But I am not saying that my opinion is set in stone; in fact I optimistically wait for the day that someone sweeps me off my feet; even a mild tremor of delight would be a welcome change.
In my international blind tasting exercises over the last few years I have conducted (by price range), Indian wines haven’t fared too well. What I write is only part opinion, the rest is what bounces off the people I meet, interact and taste with at such events.
For INR450 what we get in India doesn’t yet compare to what can be considered the international equivalent of USD10: our American counterparts earn a lot more yet spend a lot lesser on a drink that’s a lot better, and I attribute this in part to stiff local competition but also to the presence of serious and criticism from educated unbiased palates.
I do not consider myself an opinion-monger; people need a voice, a platform, mine is an attempt to provide exactly that. I do not expect everyone (or anyone) to agree with me, I merely want to be a catalyst. Change is inevitable and progress will surely come along but some healthy and perhaps necessary friction might just help us get there faster.
IWC will be a great exercise and I look forward to it; if anything, my only wish would be to be proven wrong…:-)
Vinglic Rebello
August 22, 2008 10:57 am
Hi All,
I am Vinglic Rebello, working with The Wine Society of India as Director of Operations. I have been in the international wine business (on Mega Cruise Lines) for more than 10 yrs, including taking training at Sommelier Guild, Chris O’Connors & from Michel Roux. For last 2.5 yrs I’m involved in wine industry in India. I definitely agree up to a certain extent with what Magan has said. Definitely there is a lot more to achieve in wine production and wine appriciation in India. Most of the producers in India have made their wine business as a money making opportunity, instead of understanding the wine culture, life style & health benefits. Its a must to have creativity, diversity & education in this business which lots of producers lack. More than that there also needs to be the right understanding of the wine culture, wine style preferences, correct price points for specific wines & as well as which wines are suitable for ageing.
I think if the above was taken in to consideration things would get much better
Regards,
VR
Magan
August 22, 2008 12:27 pm
Thank you Vinglic,
I seem to have rustled quite a few feathers as also encouraged straight-from-the-heart opinions from the industry stalwarts. Exactly what i wanted… Great!
DHARTI DESAI
August 22, 2008 9:32 pm
Hi Mags,
I love your writing style and your “from the heart” opinions which are exactly that – opinions! And all of us are allowed to express our opinions. And it takes a lot of guts in my books to do this. The thing is though, you are completely alone in this as I know a few more experts who have one thing to say to someone’s face and another on record for whatever the reason.
I beleive all of us would be quite unanimous in our opinion that wines are individualistic and how about some strong focus on actually going about having an Industry Standards Authority of India or an Indian Wines Quality Certification that all wine makers have to go through no matter if they are old or new players??
I am no expert on wines (I simply follow my heart and my taste buds) and will never claim that even after 20 years from now, but I do understand one thing after 3 years of being in this trade that not one of us is doing great service to the most important aspect of this whole business and that is our end consumer. What about the unity or one voice on issues all of us are facing – excise, BGs, customs, cheap trashy imports coming in and giving our honest, heavily invested wine makers in this country unfair competition!!!
Mags, why don’t you give us your opinion on importers bringing in cheap wines that are completely unpalatable – to a wine expert or a novice!
And by the way, I do drink Indian wines and happen to like quite a few of them. I do believe that people like Rajeev, Kapil (Grover), and the Indage folks should be given some respect – for the hard work and money invested in to their businesses and for actually creating those wine drinkers in our country who importers like me (or the new breed of Indian wine makers for that matter) would never have had if it not been for them. I don’t buy the bit about people who travel abroad brought in this culture because they so did not since even today, I have more Indians willing to buy my expensive wines who can barely afford it than the ones who can. For the ones who can are still travelling abroad and drinking them there! And here’s my bit from the heart (which could be construed as vested but I don’t care) – I am a big fan of Chateau d’Ori’s red blends and I have seen the passion that Ranjit has put in to what he does – starting from the grapes, bottles, the processes and ending with the packaging. This does deserve professional recognition for great commitment and dedication.
Signing off with a smile and a message for Mags – keep’em coming:-)
Magan
August 23, 2008 12:46 am
Dear all,
Thank you once again for the feedback…Dharti, thanks for your observations; you truly are a wine wonder woman. 🙂
i am sure all these comments help me as much as others who read them. Here is onemore comment that i am adding from a very pertinent wine figure who chooses to stay anonymous. I however could be persuaded to be more loose lipped about his identity in exchange for a hefty sum.
“‘Interesting, but <> fails to mention the number 1 reason that Indian wines fail to inspire – the fruit from the vineyards is sub-standard as it is not selected on quality, just on quantity based on contract rates. Now that is no way to make good wine, and the sooner the winemakers wake up to that the better.
Also, winemakers should start to look towards the skies, and start making wines in that greatest of all mountain ranges of the world – the Himalayas.”
Magan
August 23, 2008 12:34 pm
I agree Abhay that I am not all aware of wine-selling related grievances but this sounds much like the lament of a rickshaw driver who asks for more money because business is tough. If it is so I advise such frail-hearted to quit and let the people who really have the guts grit and knowledge do it right. No new venture is ever easy
If the vineyards are too young and grapes aren’t qualitative enough then why make wine with them, and punish the consumer AND make him pay for it? our industry speaks of growing bottling capacities without any quality control whatsoever. I know how much pesticide my cola has but no clue when it comes to wine.
It is all very good to receive a pat on the back for some convincing baby-steps from established and respected wine authorities like Mr. Spurrier but we must realise that the wine industry in India didn’t start yesterday; we are old enough to act more responsibly and yes I think we must hurry.
Let’s face it, the only reason our industry manages to survive is because foreign wines are subject to such high taxation which, if lifted would make it level playing ground and no Indian winemaker is confident enough to fight it out in the open.
Sure there has been progress and improvements but nothing redeeming. Many from the industry have shared with in me confidence that they agree with me but would prefer to not stir up further controversy. To the rest all I can say is, time we stopped living in denial.
just,
Magan.
JOAMON
August 23, 2008 3:29 pm
Hi Magan,
In the earlier days, there was only one wine maker in India. Howsoever patriotic you were to encourage that company and to appreciate their pioneering efforts to bring India into the wine map of the world, no two bottles of their wines tasted alike. In a way, each bottle was a unique experience!
Grover was a welcome change in terms of consistency, but their wines were far from good, till the time La Reserva arrived on the scene.
Sula’s Sauvignon Blanc was fantastic when they introduced it, but it is no longer the same wine.
La Reserva available in Bangalore is better than La Reserva available in the rest of the country. The reason is obvious – transportation and storage condition, which no wine maker seems to be worried about.
In short, I cannot find fault with your observation that there are not many drinkable Indian wines in India. I really want to try some of the latest ones, but I am conquered by the ‘fear of the unknown’.
Till you help me overcome that fear,
Joamon
Vishal Kadakia
August 23, 2008 4:14 pm
Hi Magan,
It seems that you have stirred things up again and brought some life back in this excise and tax marred industry!
I agree about the Indian wines but not totally. I regularly drink Indian wines at home from wineries such as sula, indus, d’ori and reveilo which in my opinion are fine. Agreed that I drink them because of the pricing of INR 450 for which any decent foreign wines are not available.
Which is my main point for blogging – if you have taxes of 160% duties and 200% excise how can one drink good wines at decent pricing, how can a new consumer educate himself on wines, how can there be competition and thus a drive to make really top end wines in this country? how??
I agree that there has to be some protection – but c’mon 360% is just ridiculous! make the field a little more even playing, e.g. if Indian Sauvignon Blanc’s are available for INR 450 ok! lets make a decent sauvignon blanc from say new zealand or france available for 50% more cost – a premium! and lets see if the consumer trades up – and if they do then Indian wineries will be forced to improve the quality. This model has been run successfully in all new world wine growing countires such as USA, New Zealand, Australia and you can see the results in terms of their quality and their wine drinking trends!
Cheers,
Vishal Kadakia
Wine Park
http://www.thewinepark.com
Magan
August 23, 2008 4:54 pm
Joamon, I admire your lucid views and thank you for sharing. I think the wines Vishal has recommended can be given a shot without much to fear. 🙂
Vishal, you too help by bringing up the point about an unfair playing ground for foreign wines which has protected this 20-year old ‘baby’ long enough. We all often settle for an Indian wine, given a worthy foreign option at a comparable price, few of us wouldn’t trade up.
just,
Magan.
Alok Chandra
August 23, 2008 6:24 pm
Good to see some spirited debate on the subject – it would have been worse if nobody had responded!
Yes, I think that most Indian wines have a long way to go, but no, I do not think they are all merely plonk. Yes, we’re making some decent Sauvignon Blanc (Sula) and Cabernet Sauvignon (Reveilo), but unfortunately few of the Indian wines can outlast the ‘heat & dust’ and generally need to be consumed ASAP. Grover’s La Reserve used to be better than it is today (the Decanter rating was for the 2004 wine) and may perhaps share a penchant for blending with imports, on the likes of Tiger Hill.
Regarding making money: the old joke about “How do you make a small fortune in wine? Ans: Start with a large fortune” very much applies in India – certainly, even the Big Three (Indage, Grover & Sula) started showing a positive bottom line only fairly recently, and anyone starting off now would take at least 5 – 7 years just to break even (if they’re luckty, and do everything right).
I entirely agree that the wine industry here is highly protected, but also think that a reasonable level of tariffs will enable local wines to become more competitive over time. What is killing are the state-level imposts that seek to protect each state’s wines: witness the riduclously high taxes in Maharashtra, which are now sought to be emulated in Karnataka, with the virus spreading to Goa – this is the sort of thinking that gave us 50 years of the Ambassador car.
Seven years back there were just three winemakers in India – today there are at least 10 of note, and over the next 7 years this number will double, if not triple – provided the market expands sufficiently to interest investors.
And of course trying to pair wine with Indian food is difficult – as I’ve said before, what probably goes best with our spicy curries is cold beer!
Cin Cin, everybody
Alok Chandra
Bangalore
Magan
August 23, 2008 6:33 pm
Thank you Alok.
The responses are getting more focused and precise and with your experience to back it up, wineries should listen to you at least, even if they take personal offence to me.
It is pretty clear that the industry has a long way to go and there are many an optimist waiting for it to happen. As for me, anytime between now and Apocalypse would be fine, sooner the better.
just,
Magan.
Rifaquat Mirza
August 25, 2008 7:22 pm
Magan bhaisaab…!! Inspite of your rather arcadian boyzonish plea of “..words are all I have ” I think you have put the cat among the pigeons or rather run amuck like a haryanvi saand in the neighbourhood ‘Ajanta Fancy Gift Store’.
Well that would be the first gut feel reaction looking at the serious thoughts being exchanged but honestly apart from your voicing concern about what is an oft discussed issue in Indian Wine circles I personally feel its a tad harsh. Even if you speak from a position of knowledge and understanding I would have loved it if you were to use a shot gun approach to the attack rather than a blanket bombing barrage. Helps to get the point across.
Well yes I have heard of the hydrogen sulphide and SO2 level problems with some of our wines ( and yes these are OUR wines ) and of course we all know about the absence of any credible ( or rather “certified” ) quality checks but I am sanguine its a matter of time.
And a constitution which states “the State shall endeavour to bring about prohibition of the consumption – except for medicinal purposes – of intoxicating drinks” is never going to propogate “hum do hamare do aur sab piyo…”
It would be nice to observe the Chinese ( what next ? am sure we will have Jalebis being imported from Guandong !) model and its progress as suggested by Robert. Perhaps there might be some great learning. We have always been colonial in our mindset about the good life and so you will almost always fine our wine makers / traders to be a la the borxeaux puritans ( including yours truly…and why not ). Until and unless we see the launch of Reliance-wine next year.
It was a great read and honeslty I have always believed that when the comments get longer than the main article you have got it right ( at least as a writer ) ……….and yes there were some very interesting insights from everyone else too.
Magan
August 25, 2008 7:48 pm
Hey Rifaquat,
Thanks for infusing your inimitable brand into this rather serious run where it is much needed and truly appreciated.
My concern is not limted to a little extra SO2, i am talking about the downright unsippable and we have enough that even a sizeable bomb couldn’t wipe out. Grapes sell by the kilo in Nashik. not by quality. We have gotten somewhere i do not deny but quality for most is still a dot on the horizon.
Sure it is good to observe another model but to learn from it; must we reinvent the wheel by repeating their mistakes? Why can’t we allow ourselves a little more intelligence?
…and i way prefer an allusion to the Bee Gees than Boyzone…yes, i am a puritan too…but thanks anyways.
just,
Magan.
vijay Kutty
August 26, 2008 11:04 am
Dear Magan,
Indians are the new world wine makers compare to france,spain,italy and switzerland, who are into wine making for centuries.We should give some more time to our wine makers so that they will come out with more good wines like La reserve,revelo and sula which are as good as your imported wines.And all this wines are made by INDIAN wine makers!!!
.
Magan
August 26, 2008 11:39 am
Dear Vijay,
Indian wines are good but not for INR450 rupees, perhaps at INR150 at best. In a blind tasting against wines from similar price ranges (USD10), there is no comparison and we are way amateur-ish. This is not me but exercises conducted with some of the best palates of the world.
Sure we are young as a winemaking country but surely the technology is available to us as also the expertise. (Most of the companies you mentioned use winemakers from abroad by the way and yet don’t seem to be able to get it all right.) We don’t have to start all over from zero when a lot of ground has already been covered and established by the “more experienced” Western vintners. No?
just,
Magan.
Rajeev Samant
August 26, 2008 12:34 pm
I think it’s time you made a trip to Nasik. You have no idea what’s going on in our vineyards my friend…. come on over and let us show you…maybe you won’t be converted but i have a feeling you will soften your stance…
Take this as an open invitation. The Nasik Wine Association will be happy to host your fact-finding tour…
Robert Joseph
August 26, 2008 8:11 pm
Having been an early participant in this thread, may I say how happy I am to see the level of – much-needed – debate Magan has sparked. But I’d also like to respond to a point that several people have made: that the Indian wine industry time should be given time to develop (after all – just look at how long it took France…). My only response to this is that France is not – and should not be – the model for India. Instead, Indian aspirations should be more based on New Zealand. In 1980, New Zealand produced almost no white wine of any quality. By 1990, it was acknowledged to be leading the world with Sauvignon Blanc. Today, it is doing similarly well with Pinot Noir Treat the wine world the way you treat the cricket world: play to win now!. The Aussies, Zealanders and South Africans who (with the non cricket-playing north and south Americans) increasingly dominate the wine world, aren’t thinking about winning tests in 2012.
As Rajeev knows (and thanks in part to his generous help in organising the trip) I’m going to be in Nasik in a few weeks with the overseas India Wine Challenge judges to see and taste what’s going on. Maybe Magan, you can join us on that trip…)
Magan
August 27, 2008 1:10 am
Equating wine and cricket…aha! now I expect thousands to come and post here with much vehemence and relevance…you said it Robert.
I will visit Nasik at some point again, thank you for your offer Rajeev, and I assure all that I will come with an open mind and a ready palate!
Thank you…
just,
Magan.
Reva K Singh
August 28, 2008 12:44 pm
I’m like a sponge who listens and absorbs what everyone has to say. Most often I like to keep my own counsel, and so, didn’t plan to jump into the fray after reading the first couple of reactions to Magan’s diatribe against Indian wines. Here’s what I think.
Since starting Sommelier India I’ve learned more about wines and have drunk and tasted more wine than I can say, but I am not a wine taster, and wouldn’t presume to be a wine judge. As an informed wine drinker and wine lover, however, what I do know is that, apart from good wine and bad wine, all wine should be without ‘faults’ or flaws and this is where our wines show up most poorly. What is the wine industry going to do about this? How long will the unsuspecting Indian consumer be fobbed off with poor quality wine?
Before Indian wines can make their mark, they need to be consistent and ‘faultless’. With so many new wines appearing on the market maybe some thought should be given to standardisation – in the vineyard and the winery, not forgetting storage and transportation.
An honest and forthright expression of views is always welcome, Magan, and a writer with a definite point of view is an editor’s dream. But if you allow your expression to run away with you, you risk losing credibility.
Do you remember the article you wrote on the Indian wine industry for Sommelier India in its early days? Perhaps it’s time to do another one!
In the meanwhile, we have two articles on wine in India in the next issue of Sommelier India by Robert Joseph and Stefan Gerber that touch on some of the issues facing the industry today.
All the best,
Reva
Magan
August 28, 2008 11:50 pm
Thank you Reva,
That was well-put, not to mention brave.
I do not intend to gain notoriety by digging up dirt, that is the most short-lived approach there ever was. I write from the heart and that is the best way to be happy – to think, say and do the same thing at one time.
My previous piece for you too kicked up much controversy without much reason. As you can see it didn’t change me a bit. If another equally heated topic comes to mind, will surley keep you posted.
thank you.
just,
Magan.
Observer
September 9, 2008 4:21 pm
IMHO, Indian wines aren’t completely hopeless, but they are very very average. Right now most are like very bad quaffing wines in other countries (2 buck chuck). With much work on chemistry and argi studies, most will come to meet the international standard in quaffing wines. The way things are going right now, very few however will be considered to be drunk alongside mid-range international wines. Possibly none have the opportunity to become great wines.
The reason as Magan points out is that to have really good mid-range to great wines requires low yield rates (anti-efficiency) and a passion for wine – which in real terms means not selling a vintage and admitting that the the vineyard next door’s wine is better this year. An impossibility in the Indian wine industry and possibly becoming more so in more parts of the world (see the movie Mondevino).
Most wine lovers, including many on this forum are wine loves or sommeliers or in the industry because had the opportunity to taste great wine. Remember that wine (or two) that may you think “wow, i’m in love!”? Can we get these in India for a reasonable price? Can we access different wines so as we may fairly compare variety around the world or understand better? How many people in India can have that? How many people will become wine lovers?
If Indian wine is so good Rajeev, why are you trying to protect the Indian wine industry? Let imported wine (especially the great stuff) flow in. Let people taste and let them tell you what they think about the imported stuff and your stuff. What are you afraid of? That a bottle of wine like Hardy’s that sells in Australia for < $10 will outdo your wine which sells at <$10 (not even withstanding the differentiation in indexed current/living measures)? Maybe they will even learn to like wine and drink your stuff more… maybe. But it’s a ploy that against all thinking in India.
India is becoming an economic power, beating people in many industries by smarts and pure hard work. But, wine is an art, it is not a method, it is a crime of passion.
Magan
September 10, 2008 12:13 pm
Dear Observer,
thanks for your, err, observations…wish you had shared your identity with us although i guarantee Z-level security to none!
Thanks again.
just,
Magan.
DP Agrawal
September 14, 2008 10:12 am
Dear Mr Singh,
I had the privilege of corresponding with you a few days back.
I would like to invite your attention to the recent practice of Sola Wine Company of substituting wooden corks with metallic caps which require a regular pipe wrench to open! It might even lead to breaking the bottle itself. I do not understand this sort of foolish economy with the part of our wineries. I wrote to them but there was no reply. May be they will listen to your more powerful voice.
Thanks
Dp
Magan
September 18, 2008 9:54 pm
Hello Professor,
There are two issues here and I will address both separately. The first is regarding the use of screw caps vs. corks and I am not opposed to such closure. They are great for young quaffing wines reducing the instance of cork-related problems. Sula’s use of cork is, in that sense, laudable.
Issue #2, why don’t the screw caps come off easily: I would suspect this to be a quality-related issue. But not just Sula, I have come across this problem in many wines from around the worltd – Southern Italian, Argentinean, Chilean. Ironically, Australia which uses a lot of screw cap seems to have managed to work their way around this problem. I do agree it is most frustrating to have a bottle of wine and not be able to open it. Think of it as a hidden messsage, the wine doesn’t want to be drunk yet: wait…
Either that, or else, get another wine!
just,
Magan.
Kawaljeet Singh
March 8, 2011 6:22 pm
I came across this blog today!! But a very interesting read indeed
Just a revisit to the battlefield after almost 2.5 years….
Gladiators… any change in opinions on Indian wines,pricing etc etc
Regards
Kawaljeet
Big Banyan Wines